What a joke. Book / print copyrights should END in a reasonabletime, no 1000 years

On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 23:13:15 -0000 (UTC), Mike Collins
wrote:

I've watched police stop foreigners in the USA and Canada crossing city
streets with no cars visible.

It's particularly useful in parts of the U.S. when there's a non-white
person who needs to be shot by the police. Jaywalking is right up
there with a busted taillight as a justifiable excuse.

On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 6:38:42 PM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 11:53:14 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Even if it had been in copyright in UK law you can make one copy for your
own use. If you could find it in a Toronto library you have no problem.
Most University libraries would be able to get a. Inter- library loan.
When I was doing my MSc Leeds University enforced the letter of the law so
we all had to queue at the photocopier making a single photocopy each of
required scientific papers.

And if they catch you making two copies, it goes on your permanent record, in the UK police state.

Does that mean you believe that there should be no consequences for
people who knowingly break intellectual property laws?

So, such misbehavior DOES go on your permanent record! Does Leeds turn those records over to Scotland Yard?

Does every photocopy machine in the UK have a "compliance monitor" assigned to it? Who pays for that?

Makes sense
given your general desire for an anarchistic society.

Defamatory statement, peterson, and merely your opinion.

On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 6:41:06 PM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 23:13:15 -0000 (UTC), Mike Collins
wrote:

I've watched police stop foreigners in the USA and Canada crossing city
streets with no cars visible.

It's particularly useful in parts of the U.S. when there's a non-white
person who needs to be shot by the police. Jaywalking is right up
there with a busted taillight as a justifiable excuse.

Idiot.

wrote:
On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 6:38:42 PM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 11:53:14 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Even if it had been in copyright in UK law you can make one copy for your
own use. If you could find it in a Toronto library you have no problem.
Most University libraries would be able to get a. Inter- library loan.
When I was doing my MSc Leeds University enforced the letter of the law so
we all had to queue at the photocopier making a single photocopy each of
required scientific papers.

And if they catch you making two copies, it goes on your permanent
record, in the UK police state.

Does that mean you believe that there should be no consequences for
people who knowingly break intellectual property laws?

So, such misbehavior DOES go on your permanent record! Does Leeds turn
those records over to Scotland Yard?

Does every photocopy machine in the UK have a "compliance monitor"
assigned to it? Who pays for that?


Why do you make such ridiculous statements?

The University acted on justified complaints nationally by textbook authors
that lecturers were photocopying from their books as handouts at lectures.
After clarification of the law they made the rule. This is Britain. Nobody
enforces rules like this. They rely on the basic decency of the population.
This seems incredible to you because you live in a country with a
substantial German element in its founders who believed that there should
be a law for everything. That's why you have so many visible armed police
on the streets of your cities. In a freedom loving country like the UK we
don't need and won't accept the intrusion of the police into our lives
which is usual in over policed countries like the USA.
You are still too cowardly to answer my question about your last visit to
the London you claim to know so much about. Do you even have a passport?

On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 8:25:45 AM UTC-5, Mike Collins wrote:
wrote:
On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 6:38:42 PM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 11:53:14 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Even if it had been in copyright in UK law you can make one copy for your
own use. If you could find it in a Toronto library you have no problem.
Most University libraries would be able to get a. Inter- library loan.
When I was doing my MSc Leeds University enforced the letter of the law so
we all had to queue at the photocopier making a single photocopy each of
required scientific papers.

And if they catch you making two copies, it goes on your permanent
record, in the UK police state.

Does that mean you believe that there should be no consequences for
people who knowingly break intellectual property laws?

So, such misbehavior DOES go on your permanent record! Does Leeds turn
those records over to Scotland Yard?

Does every photocopy machine in the UK have a "compliance monitor"
assigned to it? Who pays for that?


Why do you make such ridiculous statements?

The University acted on justified complaints nationally by textbook authors
that lecturers were photocopying from their books as handouts at lectures.

Oh, so it was the _faculty_ that was making those extra copies, not the students. You didn't say that before.

After clarification of the law they made the rule. This is Britain. Nobody
enforces rules like this.

So you make laws, but selectively enforce them.

They rely on the basic decency of the population.

Then nobody, college faculty or otherwise, would have been making so many copies in the first place?

This seems incredible to you because you live in a country with a
substantial German element in its founders who believed that there should
be a law for everything.

Now you are stereotyping Germans. How special.

That's why you have so many visible armed police
on the streets of your cities.

They are there to help deter crime and there aren't all that many of them. What do YOUR police do, monitor photocopy centers?

In a freedom loving country like the UK we
don't need and won't accept the intrusion of the police into our lives
which is usual in over policed countries like the USA.

Except for all of those video cameras you have installed everywhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ists-by-police

On Saturday, 3 December 2016 14:25:45 UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

Why do you make such ridiculous statements?

The University acted on justified complaints nationally by textbook authors
that lecturers were photocopying from their books as handouts at lectures.
After clarification of the law they made the rule. This is Britain. Nobody
enforces rules like this. They rely on the basic decency of the population.
This seems incredible to you because you live in a country with a
substantial German element in its founders who believed that there should
be a law for everything. That's why you have so many visible armed police
on the streets of your cities. In a freedom loving country like the UK we
don't need and won't accept the intrusion of the police into our lives
which is usual in over policed countries like the USA.
You are still too cowardly to answer my question about your last visit to
the London you claim to know so much about. Do you even have a passport?

Just in case anybody is still reading snell's memoirs:
They should try collecting books on horology or clocks.
Many volumes run into the hundreds, or even thousands, of major currency units.
Even poor photocopies of books in demand sell for very silly money.

On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 12:15:27 PM UTC-5, Chris.B wrote:

Just in case anybody is still reading snell's memoirs:

collins is the one recounting his life story in minute detail, not I.

They should try collecting books on horology or clocks.
Many volumes run into the hundreds, or even thousands, of major currency units.
Even poor photocopies of books in demand sell for very silly money.

The owners/possessors of such books are simply trying to earn as much as possible from something rare, possibly unique, and in demand.

Your problem with that?

wrote:
On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 8:25:45 AM UTC-5, Mike Collins wrote:
wrote:
On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 6:38:42 PM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 11:53:14 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Even if it had been in copyright in UK law you can make one copy for your
own use. If you could find it in a Toronto library you have no problem.
Most University libraries would be able to get a. Inter- library loan.
When I was doing my MSc Leeds University enforced the letter of the law so
we all had to queue at the photocopier making a single photocopy each of
required scientific papers.

And if they catch you making two copies, it goes on your permanent
record, in the UK police state.

Does that mean you believe that there should be no consequences for
people who knowingly break intellectual property laws?

So, such misbehavior DOES go on your permanent record! Does Leeds turn
those records over to Scotland Yard?

Does every photocopy machine in the UK have a "compliance monitor"
assigned to it? Who pays for that?


Why do you make such ridiculous statements?

The University acted on justified complaints nationally by textbook authors
that lecturers were photocopying from their books as handouts at lectures.

Oh, so it was the _faculty_ that was making those extra copies, not the
students. You didn't say that before.

After clarification of the law they made the rule. This is Britain. Nobody
enforces rules like this.

So you make laws, but selectively enforce them.

They rely on the basic decency of the population.

Then nobody, college faculty or otherwise, would have been making so many
copies in the first place?

This seems incredible to you because you live in a country with a
substantial German element in its founders who believed that there should
be a law for everything.

Now you are stereotyping Germans. How special.

That's why you have so many visible armed police
on the streets of your cities.

They are there to help deter crime and there aren't all that many of
them. What do YOUR police do, monitor photocopy centers?

When did you last work for a large organisation? Printers and photocopiers
are the same thing. Usually shared by several or many users. In this shared
use all access is logged. In my last job I shared an office with 6 people
all using one printer/scanner. For higher quantity printing we used the
main lab printer, which was also the main photocopier in the office just
along the corridor. All access to printers was via keycard and logged.
Individual photocopies could not be accessed but the number of copies made
by anyone was logged. Was this ever used to monitor individual users? No.

In a freedom loving country like the UK we
don't need and won't accept the intrusion of the police into our lives
which is usual in over policed countries like the USA.

Except for all of those video cameras you have installed everywhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ists-by-police
You think the FBI don't do this? The religious right in the USA also have
extensive databases on those they see as possible enemies. Also on
friends they want to control.

Most of the cctv cameras in the UK are private. They're not unpopular;
quite the opposite. We prefer remote scanning to obtrusive policing with
guns. Police also have individual cameras. Police guns fired 7 times in
2015-16.
How many innocent bystanders should die before it's worth fitting CCTV?

On Friday, 2 December 2016 09:10:58 UTC-5, Bill Gill wrote:
On 12/2/2016 2:29 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
On 02/12/2016 00:40, RichA wrote:

Look at this. $50 for a .pdf of a book written in the late 1800's.
It's only 10 pages long!! Is there anything other than books and
magazines that have copyrights applied for so long?

http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/artic...4#!divAbstract


Free market: willing seller and willing buyer.


You are Commie scum wanting something for nothing.

That is what the RSC will charge you if you want a personal copy. The
act of scanning the original creates a new copyright digital image work
and their copyright on that starts from the date of its creation.



If you want to *buy* their new PDF version the price is clearly stated
(BTW it is a lot cheaper now in $ than it was pre Brexit).

You are not compelled to buy from them.


You can read it for free on paper in any of the UKs 6 major libraries
(or as a member of the RSC in their well stocked private library).

http://www.bl.uk/aboutus/legaldeposit/introduction/

If you can find an original document in good condition, scan it and want
to put it online without any charge then there is nothing that they can
do about it as author copyright expires 70 years after the last named
author dies. I think it is probably safe to say that condition is met
(particularly for early X-ray researchers) but if one of them happened
to live to 1941 then it is still in copyright.

It is much more difficult for early 1900's material where it may still
be in copyright depending on how long the author lived.

In the United States anything printed before 1923 is out of copyright,
even if the author is still alive. After that the death plus 70
years rule kicks in.

Bill

Meanwhile, some drug company spends $1.5 BILLION producing a new drug and the leftist malcontents scream because "the price is too high!!"

On Friday, 2 December 2016 04:30:51 UTC-5, Martin Brown wrote:
On 02/12/2016 08:35, RichA wrote:
On Friday, 2 December 2016 03:29:40 UTC-5, Martin Brown wrote:
On 02/12/2016 00:40, RichA wrote:

Look at this. $50 for a .pdf of a book written in the late 1800's.
It's only 10 pages long!! Is there anything other than books and
magazines that have copyrights applied for so long?

http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/artic...4#!divAbstract

Free market: willing seller and willing buyer.


You are Commie scum wanting something for nothing.

That is what the RSC will charge you if you want a personal copy. The
act of scanning the original creates a new copyright digital image work
and their copyright on that starts from the date of its creation.

You left-libs really do drone on and like the sound of your own voice, don't you?


*COMMIE SCUM*

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

Wow! You'd think I'd actually done something to this nutcase!