The Ping-Pong Ball and The Sun / S D Rodrian

Aardvark wrote:

The Ping-Pong Ball and The Sun.

[A mind experiment--Therefore, if
you do not have a mind, forget it.]

Imagine a magical ping-pong ball
which is only affected by gravity.

[snip]

Conclusions from the above
thought experiment:

There is either a huge cavity at the center
of the Sun,
[snip]

Imagine I mash a cannon ball into your skull.
Therefore you are dead, so STFU.


--
Sleepalot aa #1385

On Oct 11, 12:43*am, Sleepalot wrote:
Imagine I mash a cannon ball into your skull.
Therefore you are dead, so STFU.

I am not dear. If I were
I could not continue typing.

You are in error.

SDR

Aardvark wrote:

On Oct 11, 12:43*am, Sleepalot wrote:

Imagine I mash a cannon ball into your skull.
Therefore you are dead, so STFU.

I am not dear. If I were
I could not continue typing.

You are in error.

Ok, you can see the conclusion is wrong.
Can you see _why_ it's wrong?


--
Sleepalot aa #1385

On Oct 8, 11:37 pm, "Nightcrawler"
wrote:
"John Santos" .
edu wrote in messagenews:
MPG.2538809c369d2948989686
@news.giganews.com...
No. This is where you go wrong.
It would *not* stop.
All the while it was approaching the center
of the Sun, it would
continue to accelerate, though the rate
of acceleration would
decline to 0 at the center. However,
it would continue to
possess all the velocity, momentum and
kinetic energy it had
acquired while accelerating downward.
As it reached the center,
it would have exactly enough velocity to
reach the surface of
the Sun on the other side, plus whatever
initial velocity it
had when it first reached the surface
of the Sun. So it would
go flying off into space after emerging
from the far side of
the Sun. (If it had originally fallen
from a long distance,
such as interstellar space, it would
eventually fly off again
and never return, since the velocity
it would acquire falling
from interstellar space to the surface
of the Sun would be
exactly the escape velocity *from*
the surface of the sun.
It is easy to prove this by conservation
of energy, as well
as by a detailed integration
of the forces involved.
All your subsequent conclusions are
incorrect, due to this
fundamental error.

That misunderstanding is why I substituted
Superman for the ping-pong ball AND YET
so many monkeys [yes: here] continued to
misunderstand my simple little thought-
experiment that I despair of my fellow
monkeys ever evolving into thinking beings
any time in the near future. --SDR

Of course, the OP did not state that
the ping pong ball would
be immune to the density of the matter
within the sun. So, the
ball would essentially just get buffeted
around and most likely
would never even get close to the sun.

This poster is obviously slowing crawling
his way towards becoming some sort of
hominid. He is probably capable of standing
upright and his legs are also probably
longer than his arms now (from his post).

He's also in error in that he is
presuming that the matter of the
sun will not press in and fill any voids

Unfortunately he's thinking of the Sun
sphere more like a vessel in his hand
here on earth [instead of a free-floating
ball of gas/plasma out in space] wherein
the more water he pours into his vessel
the more it weighs (whereas the whole
entire Sun doesn't really weigh anything
whatever at all [pouring "more" into it
doesn't really make it "weigh" more]:
the Sun's "weights" are all relativistically
spread about/inside its space... much like
"a pound of stuff" only weighs a pound
on the surface of the earth... and if it
is out "in space" it weighs nothing whatever
at all--you know, much like the Sun itself).

This monkey, unlike the other poster, may
be able to stand upright, but he's still a
poor ole monkey, pure & simple...

that there are, and specifically
ignores the fact that the sun is a fusion
reactor which needs a
constant supply of fuel to maintain
the reaction. If there was a

"if there were" ...

"void", then the reaction would stop.

Yes! --That-- happens to be my point:

The ongoing fusion reaction proves that
in the Sun sphere Gravity could NOT be
working as it OUGHT TO BE working:

There is NO MECHANISM in a gas/plasma
ball (large enough for 1,300,000 Earths
to fit in it) for the outer shell mass to
transmit enough cumulative pressures
to the core ... since gravity is actually
declining the closer one gets to the co

There are too many earth-masses around
every earth-mass at, say, 1/4 of the way
to the core pulling out towards the surface
for it to "press" all its mass towards the
co In the end, once you start getting to
98/100th of the way to the core those earth-
masses are pressing more against core-
wards than core-wise [or, negative gravity
--at the core itself there should be no
gravity pressure at all]. Not being ONE
SOLID BALL the earth-masses in the Sun
have no way to add their gravitational
pressure towards the core. SINCE they
are obviously not falling towards the center
like Newton apples but existing in place. Or:

Imagine not an earth-mass but one given
atom "existing" inside the Sun sphe
ANYWHERE YOU PLACE IT it will always
"feel" less and less "pull" towards the center
the closer to the center you put it. THE SUM
RESULT being:

The Sun is undergoing the pressure it's
undergoing at its core NOT because of
"gravitational pressures" but due to some
other mechanism--And that mechanism...
a velocity pressing towards center(s) ever
since the beginning of time, is explained
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"Give it up. Dude:
We are monkeys."

Oh, yeah. Sorry.

"Eat our feces, dude."



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