What a joke. Book / print copyrights should END in a reasonabletime, no 1000 years

Look at this. $50 for a .pdf of a book written in the late 1800's. It's only 10 pages long!! Is there anything other than books and magazines that have copyrights applied for so long?

http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/artic...4#!divAbstract

On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 4:41:01 PM UTC-8, RichA wrote:
Look at this. $50 for a .pdf of a book written in the late 1800's. It's only 10 pages long!! Is there anything other than books and magazines that have copyrights applied for so long?

http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/artic...4#!divAbstract

Ink cost too much! (o:

RichA wrote:
Look at this. $50 for a .pdf of a book written in the late 1800's. It's
only 10 pages long!! Is there anything other than books and magazines
that have copyrights applied for so long?

http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/artic...4#!divAbstract



I doubt if it's got anything to do with copyright. If you could find a copy
of the original journal you could copy it. But can you find the copy? If
not The Chemical Society can charge what they like. They've been storing it
for long enough.
Why would you want it anyway?

On Thursday, 1 December 2016 20:23:29 UTC-5, Mike Collins wrote:
RichA wrote:
Look at this. $50 for a .pdf of a book written in the late 1800's. It's
only 10 pages long!! Is there anything other than books and magazines
that have copyrights applied for so long?

http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/artic...4#!divAbstract



I doubt if it's got anything to do with copyright. If you could find a copy
of the original journal you could copy it. But can you find the copy? If
not The Chemical Society can charge what they like. They've been storing it
for long enough.
Why would you want it anyway?

Curiosity. So if there is no copyright, they are basically "literary squatters?"

On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 6:23:00 PM UTC-8, RichA wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 20:23:29 UTC-5, Mike Collins wrote:
RichA wrote:

Look at this. $50 for a .pdf of a book written in the late 1800's. It's
only 10 pages long!! Is there anything other than books and magazines
that have copyrights applied for so long?

http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/artic...4#!divAbstract



I doubt if it's got anything to do with copyright. If you could find a copy
of the original journal you could copy it. But can you find the copy? If
not The Chemical Society can charge what they like. They've been storing it
for long enough.
Why would you want it anyway?

Curiosity. So if there is no copyright, they are basically "literary squatters?"

Undoubtedly just a simple supply and demand issue.

Here is another example...

https://www.amazon.com/Amateur-Astro...s=tom+lorenzin

.... a book that I bought new for $19.99 a long time ago, it is well out of print, the author has passed away, and a couple of people are asking $190 for a 'new' copy. It is a good book, IMO, but is it worth $190? Only if you really crave it.

An object is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it!

\Paul A

On 02/12/2016 00:40, RichA wrote:

Look at this. $50 for a .pdf of a book written in the late 1800's.
It's only 10 pages long!! Is there anything other than books and
magazines that have copyrights applied for so long?

http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/artic...4#!divAbstract

Free market: willing seller and willing buyer.


You are Commie scum wanting something for nothing.

That is what the RSC will charge you if you want a personal copy. The
act of scanning the original creates a new copyright digital image work
and their copyright on that starts from the date of its creation.



If you want to *buy* their new PDF version the price is clearly stated
(BTW it is a lot cheaper now in $ than it was pre Brexit).

You are not compelled to buy from them.


You can read it for free on paper in any of the UKs 6 major libraries
(or as a member of the RSC in their well stocked private library).

http://www.bl.uk/aboutus/legaldeposit/introduction/

If you can find an original document in good condition, scan it and want
to put it online without any charge then there is nothing that they can
do about it as author copyright expires 70 years after the last named
author dies. I think it is probably safe to say that condition is met
(particularly for early X-ray researchers) but if one of them happened
to live to 1941 then it is still in copyright.

It is much more difficult for early 1900's material where it may still
be in copyright depending on how long the author lived.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On Friday, 2 December 2016 03:29:40 UTC-5, Martin Brown wrote:
On 02/12/2016 00:40, RichA wrote:

Look at this. $50 for a .pdf of a book written in the late 1800's.
It's only 10 pages long!! Is there anything other than books and
magazines that have copyrights applied for so long?

http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/artic...4#!divAbstract

Free market: willing seller and willing buyer.


You are Commie scum wanting something for nothing.

That is what the RSC will charge you if you want a personal copy. The
act of scanning the original creates a new copyright digital image work
and their copyright on that starts from the date of its creation.



If you want to *buy* their new PDF version the price is clearly stated
(BTW it is a lot cheaper now in $ than it was pre Brexit).

You are not compelled to buy from them.


You can read it for free on paper in any of the UKs 6 major libraries
(or as a member of the RSC in their well stocked private library).

http://www.bl.uk/aboutus/legaldeposit/introduction/

If you can find an original document in good condition, scan it and want
to put it online without any charge then there is nothing that they can
do about it as author copyright expires 70 years after the last named
author dies. I think it is probably safe to say that condition is met
(particularly for early X-ray researchers) but if one of them happened
to live to 1941 then it is still in copyright.

It is much more difficult for early 1900's material where it may still
be in copyright depending on how long the author lived.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

You left-libs really do drone on and like the sound of your own voice, don't you?

On 02/12/2016 08:35, RichA wrote:
On Friday, 2 December 2016 03:29:40 UTC-5, Martin Brown wrote:
On 02/12/2016 00:40, RichA wrote:

Look at this. $50 for a .pdf of a book written in the late 1800's.
It's only 10 pages long!! Is there anything other than books and
magazines that have copyrights applied for so long?

http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/artic...4#!divAbstract

Free market: willing seller and willing buyer.


You are Commie scum wanting something for nothing.

That is what the RSC will charge you if you want a personal copy. The
act of scanning the original creates a new copyright digital image work
and their copyright on that starts from the date of its creation.

You left-libs really do drone on and like the sound of your own voice, don't you?


*COMMIE SCUM*

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 3:36:36 AM UTC-5, Martin Brown wrote:


Misner, Thorne & Wheeler's classic "Gravitation" a tome so large that it
influenced local gravity around it now goes for serious money.
A mint one in hardcover now goes for just shy of £1000

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/0716703343/

It is worth what someone will pay for it.

edit

It is their material, their server and their business what they charge
for it. Commie scum like RichA cannot tell them what price to charge.

Ok, let's give you a little test....

A tropical storm is headed towards a coastal region, but the place of landfall is unknown. A store keeper, whose business barely stays afloat, bets that his town will suffer a direct hit. He decides to take a gamble and orders additional perishable items such as ice, flashlight batteries, propane, bottled water and fresh fruit.

When the storm hits, his town is the target. Power, water, and other essentials are knocked out. His store is the only one that is prepared.

If the storm had not hit his town, no one would have wanted or needed his additional supplies. Now everyone does.

Question: How much should he be "allowed" to charge for his merchandise during the emergency?

On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 7:41:01 PM UTC-5, RichA wrote:
Look at this. $50 for a .pdf of a book written in the late 1800's. It's only 10 pages long!! Is there anything other than books and magazines that have copyrights applied for so long?

http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/artic...4#!divAbstract

It could easily take an hour or more for a clerk to receive the order, pull the volume, scan the pages, check everything and send the PDF. Then add in the costs of long term storage and purchase price of all of the originals for which no one ever orders a copy, along with the cost of the equipment, which wears out quickly.